Ep. 26: Gary Reinl-The Anti-Ice Man

Ever put a bag of ice on a bump, bruise or injury? Have you ever really ever thought about why you put ice on it?  Could you actually be doing more harm than good and has research backed the use of ice up? What is the clinical evidence or reasoning for doing so?  Could it decrease performance?

Gary Reinl is on a mission to show us all why icing is an illusion and something that has been done for far too long and really for no good or evidence backed reason at all.  We challenge you to listen and really challenge the ideas you've had when it comes to this argument on using ice or not.  Do we do it because we always have?  Could we do something better?  Should we?  Check it all out in the episode.  Enjoy.

-CP PodSquad



Show Notes:

0:00-Show introduction and asking you to let the information challenge your beliefs.


0:46-CP Intro Video: Courtesy of Justin Joy of “Elder Pine Media” Contact: elderpinemedia@gmail.com


1:23-Allow us to introduce Gary Reinl “The Anti-Ice Man”


1:46-How the icing myth got started and where R.I.C.E. came from, all the way back to 1962 and a severed arm.


5:08-People asked the acting surgeon what to do if the ever severed a body part….and the R.I.C.E. concept was born. (Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation)


6:09-R.I.C.E. Protocol and Dr. Gabe Mirkin and “The Sports Medicine Book” (1978)


6:54-The most practiced protocol in western sports medicine.


7:54-Blame the soccer moms and using instant ice to treat every little injury.


8:35-Can ice help?  Sure, temporarily but how harmful is it in the long run?


9:43-Reasons people use ice:

    -Reduce pain

    -Prevent inflammation/swelling

    -Reduce inflammation/swelling


10:16-The reasons why these aren’t good reasons to use ice.


12:35-Ice can cause more inflammation?  The breakdown on how that works.


13:55-Breakdown on how healing occurs and do we really believe our body would lead us astray in the start of the healing process.


15:00-How are body rids swelling and how ice really doesn’t fit in.


16:30-Reviews of the evidence showing that ice does not work.


17:40-What is Gary’s approach to spreading the word and ‘convincing’ people to not ice?


18:17-But before we get there we dive into secondary cellular death….a must listen part.


19:04: ARTICLE: Secondary Cellular Death is Actually Negligent Homicide


20:07-Decongesting an injured area and how to best accomplish that feat.


22:25-”The human body is designed to self repair, not self destruct.”


22:53-Best approaches for spreading the word.


24:05-What is your intent? (when you want to ice)


25:11-Video: Interview with Kelly Starrett


27:38-Dr. Gabe Murkins recant on using ice.


30:20-Isn’t is suspicious that there is no proof in utilizing ice to remove swelling?


35:10-Utilizing recovery devices (such as the Marc Pro) and not icing in Major League Baseball.


38:25-The best thing you can do for recovery is to stop icing.


39:21-Recover means there is nothing left to heal.


41:26-ARTICLE: Wasting Away in Margaritaville


42:27-Muscle activation must occur in order to get things to start healing.


44:28-What should you do if you don’t have a MarcPro and are not going to ice?

    -”Use your brain, no pain” when it comes to movement and getting muscle activation.


45:45-Power Plate vibration machine


46:32-Thoughts on heat?


51:21-”Never mount the tiger before you plan your dismount.”  Actually really applicable to many areas of life.


52:04-Any other areas of sports medicine that you’ve seen that are being done wrong?


52:30-Rest is wrong and stillness is the enemy.


52:39-ARTICLE: Stillness is the Enemy


53:50-Should you compress the area and put pressure both on the vessels bringing in blood and also putting pressure on the vessels that are trying to get rid of the excess material.


55:00-ARTICLE: The Power of Asking ‘Why’?


57:40-It all comes back to muscle activation


The Clinically Pressed Questions

59:37-What is something you believe that others may not?

    -You need to run in a neutral shoe with no heel elevation (zero drop)

    -Golden Harper: World Record Holder for 12 year olds.

    -Altra Zeros: Zero Drop and Expanded Toe Box


1:11.29-What is the most influential purchase you’ve made for less than $100?

    -The Right Stuff

    -Developed in partnership with NASA.


1:13.50-Book Recommendations

    -The Supple Leopard-Kelly Starrett

    -Framework-Nick Dinubile


1:15.26-If you could go back and tell yourself anything in your training or education 10 years ago, what would it be?

    -Dont’ question yourself and back off what you believe.

    -Question ‘weight loss’ vs. ‘fat loss’

    -Formula for calorie reduction on a daily basis to prevent long term fat gain.

1:22.35-Website: whyarewesofat.com


1:23.58-Information on MarcPro and the muscle recovery system.  For 5% off use the promo code “TAT” or contact Gary


1:25.24-Website: garyreinl.com


ARTICLE: “Anti” Inflammatories




1:26.53-If something doesn’t seem right to you don’t hesitate to ask the authority and get them to explain why.  You have to ask ‘why’ and ‘how would that work’.


1:27.51: In closing and thanks for talking with us Gary.

The Meltdown Continues.


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